i was thinking about that 'pesky little comma' that the jws have in their nwt.. because of that pesky little mark, jws are able to twist and turn in the wind with their 'soul' doctrine.. did jesus say to the evildoer 'truly i tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.'.
or did he say 'truly i tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.'.
what a difference a little speck can make on a page!.
Has anyone ever asked a JW this question :
Does this mean that the other criminal was judged then and there and will not be ressurrected at all?
If he is not judged at that moment, then Christ's statement does not appear to be singling the seemingly favorable criminal out for anything special that the other criminal wasn't also going to get.
tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
Thanks, Estephan. I'm going to chalk this thread up to my stupidity. I'm sure you're sincerely trying to reply to my questions, but I seem to be missing it.
tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
Estephan,
Thank you for replying, but I'm a bit confused by your reply in regards to my questions, though.
1st question (more of a request) from me: Please show the biblical scriptural statement/proof concerning this response from you:
Since the Kingdom has not taken full rule, crushing all other kingdoms, everlasting life has not been ganted.
2nd question (and let me rephrase it a bit): If those who are to die at Har-Magedon are not to be remembered anymore, why does God choose to remember sparrows who, by JW standards, are not meant to live beyond their normal lifespans and never to be resurrected? If I were to survive Har-Magedon and my mate didn't, I believe I would remember that person before remembering my dead parrot.
And please consider my questions in my original post:
If all of God's work is perfect and Dorcas was resurrected free from Adamic sin, why did she die? Being free from Adamic death, did she know right from wrong? Although no longer under Mosiac law, if she had used it as a guide, would she still have died? Wasn't the Mosiac law a way to keep 'perfectly ' the commands of God?
And...if God's work is perfect, but in that perfection animals die, why can't humans die under the same code of God's perfection? In other words, have we deluded ourselves as an out against death?
tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
Not sure what you meant by this reply, unless it was meant as a humorous remark.--VM44
'Jes playing cuz of my name.
tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
Estephan,
Since the Kingdom has not taken full rule, crushing all other kingdoms, everlasting life has not been ganted.
Please forgive me for nit-picking, but could you provide the scripture that confirms the above statement. Edited to add:
The Almighty ... also knows when every sparrow hits the ground in death
If these are creatures created and meant to die forever, what is the point? Why remember what is meant to perish forever? Isn't that God's declaration for humans concerning those destroyed by Armageddon, that they won't be remembered?
tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
No one observes this nightly bodily destruction/recreateion
And I would appreciate you not asking me to divulge the specifics about what happens.
tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
I asked this same question 'bout a year or so ago and got this response:
Lazurus died again because Christ had not yet died for the sins of humanity as a ransom sacrifice, been resurrected, and gone to Heaven to present His sacrifice to God. Once His sacrifice was approved of by God, that opened the way for all humans to be resurrected and offered eternal life.
SO--------------I asked about the resurrection of the woman Dorcas (Acts 9:36) by Peter after Christ's resurrection and also the young chap (also in Acts) who fell asleep and fell out of the window. Stunned silence and to date no reply.
I then asked if 'all of God's work is perfect', then how could these individuals die again since they by biblical implication were acquitted of Adamic death and no longer under inherited sin. More silence.
That brought me to ask the question as to how many types of deaths there were. By Biblical implications, there is Adamic death (inherited) and the second deaath (lake of fire). But Christ died of neither of these; his being a martyr's death ( a third death?). And Dorcas, once acquited of Adamic death by resurrection (and this only implied), died by none of the above on her 2nd death. So, is there a 4th death? Why did she die? If God's work (creation) is perfect and animals can still be allowed to die, why not humans?
So, if you're gonna get in a JWs face about this, mention those brought back after His resurrection. It takes away one of their responses.
i was just at jwfacts.com and was looking at the daniel/revelation phrophecies.
the book of daniel mentions 1260 and 1335 days.
the wts interprets these dates as follows:.
I give. The more I try to fix it, the worse it gets. Apologies.
In the 50's, the WTBTS tried to tie the beginning of the 1260 days to the end of the Gentile Times. That left the ending date untied to any significant event. Later, they decided that the Gentile Times didn't end on October 1 and moved the date.
They then used the May date of issuing arrest warrants as the ending date for the 1260 days, but had nothing to firmly link the beginning to.
Then they moved the end to the sentencing date of June 21 and used the year text to tie the beginning to.
Then, since none of this shit equals 1260 days, they muddied the waters for calculating how many days there are by switching from counting time on the Gregorian calendar to the Jewish calendar in the 'World Gov't' book (also a parenthetical comment in Daniel book) in the hopes that those who tried to calculate the number of days would just assume that under the Jewish calendar, it must come out right.
i was just at jwfacts.com and was looking at the daniel/revelation phrophecies.
the book of daniel mentions 1260 and 1335 days.
the wts interprets these dates as follows:.
Lost everything the 1st post. Made an abbreviated post and lost half of it.
Watchtower July 1, 1951 p. 408
Right on time prophecy was fulfilled. The 1,260 days would commence when the Gentile times ended, about October 1, 1914 and would therefore terminate about April 1, 1918
Watchtower 8/15/59 p. 405
26 This period of three years six months corresponds with the forty-two months or a thousand two hundred and sixty days during which Jehovah’s “two witnesses” were to prophesy dressed in spiritual sackcloth or mourning. (Rev. 11:1-3) This period began in the first half of November, 1914, and ended on May 7, 1918
Our Incoming World Government-God’s Kingdom p. 127-133
THE THREE AND A HALF “APPOINTED TIMES”
17 When, therefore, did the three years and a half, which were to be climaxed by that shattering action against dedicated, baptized Christians, begin? How was that beginning marked?
18 Well, June 21, 1918, fell, according to the Biblical lunar calendar, on Tammuz 11, 1918. Three lunar years back from that, or Tammuz 11, 1915, fell on June 23, 1915. Then the half of a lunar year, or six lunar months, back from that would be Tebeth 11, 1914, which coincided with December 28, 1914.—See The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, under the heading “Jewish Calendar for 200 Years,” pages 634-639
Watchtower 8/1/94 p.31: Questions From Readers
We enjoyed studying prophecies of Daniel as treated in “The Watchtower.” Why, though, did the dates for the three and a half times of Revelation 11:3 differ from the “Revelation Climax” book?
Yes, The Watchtower of November 1, 1993, did offer a minor adjustment as to the dating of the modern fulfillment of Revelation 11:3. Why?
Let us first look at Revelation 11:2, the end of which mentions “forty-two months.” We continue in ?Re 11 ?verse 3: “I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” When does that apply?
Well, Jehovah’s Witnesses have long recognized that this prophecy found its fulfillment with spirit-anointed Christians after the end of “the appointed times of the nations” (the Gentile Times) in 1914. (Luke 21:24; 2 Corinthians 1:21, 22) Commenting on this, Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand! (1988) says on page 164: “There was a marked period of three and a half years when the hard experiences of God’s people matched the events prophesied here—starting from the outbreak of the first world war in the latter part of 1914 and continuing to the early part of 1918.”
Note that the dating offered was “the outbreak of the first world war in the latter part of 1914 [till] the early part of 1918.” This matches the dating often presented, such as in “Then Is Finished the Mystery of God,” pages 261-4, (1969).*
However, The Watchtower focused on prophecies in Daniel, a book that twice mentions a period comparable to that mentioned later in Revelation—3 1/2 years, or 42 months. To be specific, Daniel 7:25 says that God’s holy ones would be harassed “for a time, and times and half a time,” or 3 1/2 times. Later, Daniel 12:7 foretells “an appointed time, appointed times and a half,” or 3 1/2 times, that would be climaxed with “a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people.”
So we have prophecies dealing with a comparable period at Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, and Revelation 11:2, 3, as well as at Revelation 13:5. Our publications have shown that all of these found fulfillment in the 1914-18 period. But in treating each of these prophecies separately, the dates for the beginning and for the end varied a little.
However, The Watchtower of November 1, 1993, asked: “How were all these parallel prophecies fulfilled?” Yes, the prophecies of 3 1/2 times mentioned at Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, and Revelation 11:3 were recognized as “parallel prophecies.” Hence, they would correspond as to their beginning and their end.
As to the ending, the magazine showed how the harassment of God’s anointed ones (Daniel 7:25) climaxed in June 1918 when J. F. Rutherford and other directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society were “sentenced on false charges to a long term in prison.” That event certainly was “a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people,” as noted at Daniel 12:7.
Counting back from June 1918 leads us to December 1914 for the beginning of the 3 1/2 times. In that closing month of 1914, God’s anointed ones on earth learned the theme scripture for the coming year: “‘Are ye able to drink of My cup?’—Matthew 20:20-23.” The article announcing it warned: “Who knows but that there may be some special trial, cup of suffering or ignominy, for the loyal followers of the Lamb during 1915!” As Daniel 7:25 foretold for this period of 3 1/2 times, ‘harassment arose and continued against the holy ones themselves of the Supreme One.’ Nations were embroiled in World War I, making it easier for them to carry out unjustified harassment. The conclusion is: All three parallel prophecies—Daniel 7:25, 12:7, and Revelation 11:3—found fulfillment in the 3 1/2 years, or 42 months, from December 1914 to June 1918.
This explains the slight refinement in dating the fulfillment of Revelation 11:3. This adjustment is something we can bear in mind as we study and use the Revelation Climax book in the future.
Watchtower 4/15/60 p. 248-252
Only the Scripturally intelligent ones will be allowed to understand the book of Daniel and all the rest of the Bible.
W69 5/15 p. 296-- Daniel was so keenly interested in the fulfillment of his prophecies that he asked God’s angel about the matter. The angel told him that the fulfillment was a secret and sealed up until the “time of the end,” and that is exactly where we are now. How thrilled Daniel would be if he could be alive today as his book of prophecy is opened up to human understanding! Oh, how he would rejoice and delight to reach this time in history for the climax of his prophetic words! So we should take great delight in examining Daniel’s words for our day, feeling especially privileged to understand what Daniel himself could not discern.—Dan. 12:4, 8, 9.
i was just at jwfacts.com and was looking at the daniel/revelation phrophecies.
the book of daniel mentions 1260 and 1335 days.
the wts interprets these dates as follows:.
